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Old 21st August 2008   #1
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Sugino Zen/Sugino Zen Messenger.... anyone know the difference?

i've got one of each. (messenger is for sale, will post shortly on for sale thread). but why are there 2 on the market so similar, zen seems lighter. is this just cheaper? although i paid more for this??!!
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Old 21st August 2008   #2
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Zen rings are super sweet and super expensive, bunch of the Olympic guys use them, its also njs, zen messenger is a generic ring for their cheaper cranks
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Old 21st August 2008   #3
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You usually would pay more money for less weight.
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Old 21st August 2008   #4
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thanks guys, i've got a pristine zen messenger black 44T to sell, if anyone wants it. i'll post it when my filthy capitalist overlords are distracted
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Old 21st August 2008   #5
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I'll take it, depending on the price of course.
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Old 21st August 2008   #6
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yea if benanza dont take it ill have it depending on price
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Old 21st August 2008   #7
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if benanze doesnt take it and nosferatu doesnt take it, ill take it, obviously depending on price.
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Old 21st August 2008   #8
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if benanze doesn't take it, nosferatu doesn't take it and livingsheep doesn't take it............someone else will
*edit, depending on price :)
Last edited by 31t®um; 21st August 2008 at 10:43.. Reason: still a cunt
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Old 21st August 2008   #9
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Bidding Frenzy Please!!!!
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Old 21st August 2008   #10
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how much are they new? find me the cheapest price and i can work how much to charge. if you've got time that is, i'm being worked like a slave here
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Old 21st August 2008   #11
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http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...9f2f315db46b33

61 dorrah....
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Old 21st August 2008   #12
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about £40
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Old 21st August 2008   #13
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that's the messenger NOT the zen
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Old 21st August 2008   #14
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Lighter, stronger, harder alloy + more precision milling and shaping of teeth.

GB track team were all on 75/Zen drivetrains in what looked like a champagne finish

*edit* wrong they were on custom made team issue only Sugino chainrings!

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web...ing_CampD1.asp

Last edited by adoubletap; 21st August 2008 at 11:32..
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Old 21st August 2008   #15
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does £30 sound ok? it's mint
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Old 23rd August 2008   #16
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GB track team were all on 75/Zen drivetrains in what looked like a champagne finish

*edit* wrong they were on custom made team issue only Sugino chainrings!
You can see the drive train set up here from the olympics. Looks fairly standard - but who can tell?
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Old 25th August 2008   #17
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Slack Chain ?
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Old 25th August 2008   #18
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another question - is the Zen ring superior in quality to the standard 75 ring?
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Old 25th August 2008   #19
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Slack Chain ?
perfect chain tension
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Old 25th August 2008   #20
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Slack Chain ?
and she's not wearing a helmet, and she just jumped that red light...

^+1. it's perfect.
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Old 25th August 2008   #21
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another question - is the Zen ring superior in quality to the standard 75 ring?
The Zen is more expensive. From Sugino that would suggest more heat treatment or perhaps tighter machining, more refined teeth profile.

http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/track_e.html

Zen is NJS certified but I can't find anything on their site about actual extra machining or aluminium quality.
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