im sorry folks!

I really should pay attention to how things read when rambling nonsense when bored.

If his budget is around a hundred pounds the answer is simple J...
Buy an Archie's Grobag and then you can carry him around in it on YOUR bike!


*Nothing more to discuss...my work here is done*

Scott - is Yoda saying "Patience you must have for your Grobag"? ;p

:(

hobbyist frame builder?!? vb will question that.

ha

Scroll back guys - he's already eaten his humble pie...

If the BB is anything like the Team Machine, It's insanely stiff. TOO stiff.

Try looking up Robin Mather, I don't think Robyn Mather builds frames :)

His frames look nice, just the kind of standard youd expect from a skilled independent builder.

There are many like him, for example lee cooper who is based in coventry.

http://customcycleframes.blogspot.com/

I just hadnt heard of him, didnt mean anything bad by calling him an obscure indpendent builder. In my opinion thats a good thing.

Very hard ride.

If Leaders were good, would that make any other bike any better or worse?

How does the status of one bike change the status of another? I'm intrigued.

Fnnaaaarrrr

It doesn't. It's just badly phrased. I blame the Daily Mail...

It's probably as good as any other cheapie Taiwan-built track frame... Just buy it, ride it and enjoy it... The navel-gazing should begin when the boyf decides to upgrade to something tasty and blow his lady's bikes outta the water... ;)

That's a bit harsh on the girl - I doubt she's that bad-looking herself...

^^^ obligatory Arf!

ha ha ha! That's fucking funny Scott! Excellent.

Oh, and his bikes are never gonna blow mine out the water. Not a chance ;)

so where are you getting this leader from?

Vietnam, via Bangkok...

Can't give you rep, but that is brilliant.

^Ithenkyew^

i've just been sick in my mouth a little

I got the older version secondhand for €200 with a load of extras (Miche BB, Deda Bars and Stem, some other bits...) about 6 months ago and it's a really nice frame, definitely recommend that to him

I was confused why people would want a Leader frame, but was mistakenly looking at the costlier 735tr frame. Now they have just released the 721tr, which differs from flickwg's 720tr in having smaller decals, and nicer looking fork ends. $189 on Ebay.
If you have a bikeforums login you can see the pics HERE - the welds look goood enough.

you dont get the contoured seatube with that, which may be something your BF would miss?

though i think it looks better in white - has a touch of Garneau to it . . .

http://www.leaderbikestore.com/pd-735tr-2009.cfm

Cheap, but functional. I don't see that there's much wrong with them. Geo on the 721s is supposed to be more track-like than on the 720s also, though haven't seen one in the flesh yet.

That's not vomit. It's leftovers from Jonathan King's sticky white love piss after your party last night at the Walton Hop.

Two little boys airbrushed out of that... :-(

yuk. one of them was alex.

Saw the On-One in chainreactioncycles. Was comparing the frame size to IRO Mark V.

I tried to be really scientific, but most likely failed miserably. So my question to you is how close to each other are the medium On-One Track and a Mark V in size 56?

The most obvious difference is the head tube length (100mm vs. 125mm) and the top tube (54.5cm vs. 55.5cm), but I am at a loss when trying to figure out the seat tube length. The On-One has 53cm c-t and I believe the IRO has 56cm, aboutish, but On-One's angle is tighter at 74.5 when compared to Mark V's 73. From what Sheldon has told me each degree of angle adds 1cm to the length of the tube. So at this point -- and if the above does stand -- the difference in seat tube lengths would be narrowed down to 1.5cm.

Next up is the issue of bottom bracket drop, which I believe does affect the equation, too. The On-One frame's bottom bracket drop is 38mm and the IRO has 50mm. So the difference is 12mm. Would this affect the effective seat tube length, push the final difference to 0.3cm? And if so, how is it possible the head tubes are so differently sized with the same angle of 73?

um, thanks for that pj.

erm...........HTFU and just get out and ride!