London Fixed-gear and Single-speed

Nimhbus my old chum, nothing stops you telling johny pigfuck that you have no id, but if ya don't he/she/it has every right to take you to the nearest station to establish your identity. You, of course can refuse to cooperate, in which case you will be knicked. Chink chink. Have you been arrested?

I imagine you have spent a lot of time incarcerated for misdemeanors. Oh and is there no id in your wallet.??

In fact fuck it, nimhbus by friend, antagonize the old bill until your blue in the face & let me know how you get on. Best of Luck. X

Ridiculous indeed.

It's on the tail end of the grief for travelling without a ticket and the whole on the spot fine malarky.

If you get done for a lack of ticket and allege you have no id and no loot, vagrancy is the charge.

tell them all you like, when they search you and your bag, find your wallet, with your library and crass fanclub membership cards, you'll look pretty dumb....jesus.

think you'd find yourself in slightly hotter water than just jumping a red light.....

and they certainly can check you on the CRO over the radio in a few secs....you don't even have to be previously convicted for this to work....just known.....

they can't be charging ID-less cyclists with vagrancy surely Shirley?

That's a bum rap.

Winston, have you been in my bag?

I've always wondered how hot it could get off a simple stop-and-ID request - you know, you get pulled over and you haven't been doing anything remotely wrong, you get asked for ID, you refuse, but though you actually haven't got any on you you wrap it up with a bit of martyrdom, maybe like you've something to hide, you basically refuse to give any details and demand to talk to your solicitor; when they ask you to supply your solicitor's details you refuse. And so on.

I'm wondering if you can end up in prison forever as the pig-incensed carnage ensues.

In my experience. Its always best to play the game when dealing with the police. Far less likelihood of things escalating then. That's if your caught of course ;)

Yeah, so why the big concern when the cops start pulling cyclists then?
Cyclists should either take it on the chin when they're fined and shut the hell up or these police blitzes should focus on someone else, someone more likely to do damage when running reds.. like, say, a car or a motorbike.

How much easier is it to simply don't jump a red when you know there's police around?

How about not jumping reds at all? It is the law after all.

Fucking C+ thread.. fucksake I could be stealing more pint glasses and not typing this shit.

Buttt (sic) your not.

>> I'll stab 'em upside the head.<<

Booyakasha.

Wiki wiki wicked!

I don't make the fucked licensing laws.

Honestly I rather jump it if there's a lorry right behind me, I almost got squashed by one twice.

How?

they couldn't see me, even on the ASL.

They can't ask for ID randomly as you don't have to carry it. But they can check your person to establish you tell them the truth. You have to have done something wrong, such as jumping red. If they suspect you of something you don't have to give your name.

Or, if they stop you under Section 44, you don't have to give your name, but they can incidentally find your name on cards etc during a search.

I don't know what pre 1970 world Nimbus lives in where you only use cash and carrying ID with different names on raises no shit.

Once they realise you lied about who you are - and only over a 30 quid fine - they will want to know what you so keen to hide from them...

No, indeed they can't. But as mentioned upthread, if they have witnessed you commiting an offence (as opposed to crime) then it becomes offense to withhold information or provide false information.

If you say you don't have an address, you just confessed to vagrancy.
If you provide an address, they can always take you there to check. One might presume you would at least be carrying keys. They are a form of proof of ID. Even if you aren't carrying keys, it's not unreasonable that they might expect you to tell them your plans to regain entry to said address.

It's quite easy to see how withholding ID can turn into a big clusterfuck for yourself ending up with the police engaging in a book throwing exercise. No bell, that's an offence. No reflector, that's an offense. No reflectors on your pedals, that's an offence. Wasting police time, that's an offence. And so it goes.

not true

This thread is turning into a Vicky Pollard
"Yeah but yeah but"

message received and understood now?

jesus.

roger that

nimbhus - have you not got better things to do? Like terrorising old lady pedestrians or such like :^]

leave jesus out of it. Electoroll indeed. It's a bit like tv detector vans. Anyone ever seen one? The thing is about tv's is that 99% of people have one. So the licensing authority just has to look to see which addresses do not have a license registered. Hey presto 2 + 2.
If you give a false address, (and they don't always check) and the police have no record of that name living there or indeed that address existing, then your either an idiot who dosn't know his/her own address or lying.
utility bills, electoroll, subscription to RLJ monthly whatever, it's not hard this is the era of information. Besides as people have mentioned before if you can't see a dayglo fatman at a junction you shouldn't be jumping because you don't have the skillz in the eyez not to get killed by on coming traffic.

Glad I read this this morning :)

Ok, i seemed to have provoked some strong feelings here, so i'd like to explain what i meant.

this info is from the Police authority ( it is useful to know your rights) :

"you can be stopped and searched anywhere when an officer believes you are carrying:

drugs, weapons or stolen property

items which could be used to commit a crime

items which could be used to commit an act of terrorism.

The officer will ask you for your name, address and date of birth. You do not have to give these unless you are being arrested or reported for an offence.

Before you are searched, the officer must take all reasonable steps to ensure that you understand what law they are using and your rights."


ok, so if one had jumped a red, then that would be an offence, and they would have the right to ask you for your details. They still wouldn't have any grounds for searching you if you politely and simply stated that you were carrying no ID at that time.

The key point is, this would be one of those times where how the situation proceeded from there would depend very much on a number of variables. How polite you are to them, how well-spoken and confident you are, and sadly, how white and middle-class and middle aged you are.

i readily accept that antagonising the Police will get you nowhere and probably arrested or at least detained. i certainly wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. it's pretty well known!

I have been arrested a few times when i was younger - possesion,assault ( a punch-up) -nothing major, and i certainly never ended up in court over these things. i have also been stopped in cars etc more times than i can remember over the years. again, not for anything serious.
However, it does mean i have my fair share of experience dealing with the police, like everyone else here.

In recent years, now i am slightly overweight and in my 30s, and wear glasses and look respectable, i have found that my dealings with the Police, when they occur, tend to go much more in my favour. I have been stopped a couple of times for minor cycling misdemeanors ( riding on pavement , jumping a red), and in those situations, i have been polite and contrite, and have always been sent on my way without it going any further. As well as politeness, a certain (under)tone of voice that hints at ' i know my rights and i won't be taking any shit if you infringe them' also seems to help. They get a bit wary about white middle class blokes in their 30s, because they never know which middle-class bloke in his 30s is a solicitor or lawyer of some kind. I'm not suggesting that this would stop them making an arrest in a serious situation, of course not, but for very minor stuff, they are much less likely to a) want the hassle, b) suspect the white middle class bloke of anything else more sinister.

and finally, as was said above - not being on the electoral role is proof of nothing more sinister than having moved recently.

So, that's what i was getting at. I'm sorry if i wound people up, i didn't mean to, i was a bit pissed. However, i stand by what i have said above, i.e: it wouldn't be hard to get off a red light ticket with the right approach.

yours ever,

nimhbus.

got stopped last night by a cop after jumping a light, he was in an unmarked van in front of the an embassy. it went like this:

cop: not very nice if you get killed is it
me: no cars where coming
cop: not nice for me if i have to tell your family is it
me: I'm an orphan, sir
cop: whats your name then
me: Oliver, sir
cop: if i didn't have to keep an eye on them (points to faulon gong woman sitting across the road) you would be in trouble.
at this point i ride off.

exactly. it's easy peasy to deal with Robbie Rozzer.

:D

Yeah, it's also important to lynch a whole bunch of immigrants once in awhile just to satisfy the BNP. Just make sure to stay out of the English-only neighbourhoods on those days.