Want a new frame and it needs to tick the boxes

Not silly money

race geometry, but not to harsh and not a relax angle

bottle mounts

any ideas

This could turn into one of those 'try using the search function' moments...

Try using the Search function!

what do you want it for?
track or road?
budget??

I've been seaching and thinking far ages and the best i can come up with is the dolan (harsh, alu and dodgy shop)
genesis flyer, ok
willer pista, perfect but can't find the frames on there own

£150
Road, a bit of TT and club rides (50-70mile)

FYI The Wilier is ALU.

The only thing harsh about alu is listening to the exponents of steel frames whine about "harshness" and shit when most have never touched an aluminium frame.

like it hippy, as we were discussing last night

iro mark-v?

Needs to be second-hand at that price. Could try Jos (Tour de Ville) for older track frames with less 'contemporary' geometry, but then it probably wouldn't be drilled for a brake, and you'd have to use a seatpost mounted bottle cage.

'Road fixed' geometry would work better for you. In a TT, you can always bring the seat up and forward to steepen the angle, and shove it back and down for long club runs. Also 10psi less in your tyres for the clubruns :)

I know the willer is alu but its a road bike so it would be made to be a bit softer in the rear end,
I have allways had steel bikes and think they can;t be bettered but thats what I thought about v brakes and now I love my hope minis!

I fucking love alu. The only harshness associated with any frames I've owned (regardless of material) is when they snap or flex unacceptably, and I have to chastise them with strong words before throwing them over the balcony.

isn't the langstar a bit of a slack angle bike?

whats a iro mark-v? hang on i'll search for it!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=015

Ticks all the boxes, he had a £150 BIN up, so

Price - Tick
Steel Frame - Tick
Race Geometry - Tick
Not a relaxed angle - Double tick
TT - Tick
No bottle mounts though

I'm selling my IRO Jamie Roy, 56cm, alu, bottle mounts, mudguard eyelets, coupla scratches but in great shape... £100 inc BB... You wan'? There's a picture of the frame built up in my gallery...

judging by your initial 'spec', you could pretty much buy anything. personally, if you got money to burn, go into BLB and buy one of the 12 or so bob jacksons they got hanging from the ceiling for £400 fat ones.

Or buy teenslain's sweet IRO... I think that's what you really meant to say...

Pearson Touche. They don't quote prices for the frame-only but I'm sure they'd sell you one and it would be reasonable, they're really friendly. It's firmly in the road geometry camp 72 or 73 degree seat tube, although the wheelbase is quite long to accomodate slightly fatter tyres and mudguards if you wish. It has bosses for just about everything - two bottles, mudguards, rear rack. With a carbon fork, it's a really nice ride, I'm super impressed with mine - it's clearly not in the same league but it compares favourably with my carbon Look! Handling is reasonable snappy but not edgy - you can quite happily don a jacket while cycling along. Surprisingly smooth ride too. I think it's a really good compromise and my riding patterns sound very similar to yours: commuting plus weekend riding up to ~70miles, plus the odd TT.

I'm going to write a decent review of it here when I get a chance, because I'm dead chuffed with mine, it fills a distinct niche and doesn't get commented on much here because it's not up there in the same coolness league as various track bikes.

Courant

good call on the pearson.

Or buy teenslain's sweet IRO.

Thanks mate... It's pretty sweet...

Looking for an IRO, preferably sweet.

Anyone ?

OR go to putney cycles where for the same amount of money you get nicer service.

what about a cinelli vigorelli i reckons they welll nice!!about 500

http://www.parker-international.co.u...?src=vigorelli 081.JPG&img=Vigorelli+Track+Frame

how sweet? fluffy kitten sweet? "three sugars" sweet?