£2,200 fine?? what about cyclists who die when driver mindlessly open the door and only got find for a couple tenner??

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Since he shouted "move because i'm not stopping!", it implied that he's a bit of a distance from the girl, rather than second from hitting her.

Oh. That's fine then?

what? no I mean from what it seemed, it look like he was simply heading on a straight line refusing to move just because a group of girls is straight ahead even thought he have enough time to slow down, which is quite a stupid thing to do, charging straight on expecting them to move.

Ahh, misunderstood you! My apologies sir.

apparently the cyclist had a machine gun strapped to his top tube and a swastika tattooed on his face...bloody cyclists!

impossible to make any king of judgment from the info in the article

+1

"His £4750 custom titanium/carbon bike did not comply with the Highway Code as it has no pedal or rear reflectors"

Because that would have helped.

This guys a fucking retard. Should be imprisoned now. What the fuck are roads for

poor article!
but she did die. and how many girls her age have insurance or any kind of cover. her parents have lost a daughter etc etc
the cost could have been in the millions.. cycle insurance covers third party claims to those amounts. i wonder if he had it???

on the subject of law anyone remember the EU's plan to change the law on cyling that the UK vehemently objected (the only ones at the time!) there is a bit here.

Head in shame UK politicians.... Head in shame! while its down there you can continue giving head to the rich business men that pull the strings....

There's more info here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...ts/7496757.stm

But I'm still struggling to find out exactly what the cyclist did wrong.

However, I'm not the type to defend anyone just because they are a cyclist. I am aware, however, that around 10 people die every day on the roads, and the vast, vast majority of these are because of motor-powered vehicles. Cyclists get into headlines because it's a 'man bites dog' story.

Some chastening statistics here, page 92:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/...rcgb2006v1.pdf

Note that though car usage has gone up over the decades, fatal accidents have gone down. And in 1935 10x as many cyclists died on the road as today.

if the evidence was conflicting, then why was he found guilty? seems a bit odd, it's not much of a fine for causing a death, even if it is about 3 times more than what motorists usually get for the same thing.

sounds like a bunch of kids stepped into the road, as they will, and he stubbornly refused to take evasive action.

If that's the case then he really ought to have a prison sentence shouldn't he?

it should certainly make certain cyclist think a bit more about the way they ride around peds. I know sometime we want to kill them, but you have to accept the consequences.

He was on the road.

Yep, that's how I read it.

ahh well. I will shut up then. They way that article was written it sounded like he was riding on the pavement in a town centre, hurtling towards innocent pedestrians

the location was a "close" so it sounds suburban, which makes it all seem a bit fucking pointless to be hacking along like it's the embankment at 0845

It was the maximum fine for what he was charged with - 'reckless cycling'. That offence does not include the option of a jail sentence.

If he had the time and the opportunity to avoid the girl then he should have done regardless of the girls position.

Bearing in mind that jaywalking is not actually a crime in this country, he had a legitimate obligation to make a reasonable effort to avoid a collision. Shouting at the pedestrians did not fulfil that obligation as there is no legitimate case for transference of the onus of responsibility.

Oddly, whether or not he could have stopped in time is a moot point in this case. Taking into account the nature of what the rider said, it is safe to assume that he perceived that he could have done but chose not to.

This happens so much on the way in and out of work, cocky brats walking into the road. Now I am not saying this is what the girl did, and the cyclist should have prepared to lock the anchors on if it looked like a collision, but from that link to the case, it tells you very little about what actually happened.

But pedestrians do not look, I had 3 walk out into the road this morning, these worse offenders are the idiots who get half way, then take a step back and you don't know where they're gonna go! While I feel sorry for the parents, do they know the daughter was actually being a 'safe' pedestrian, not sure why they branded the cyclist "an arrogant, vile little man". It reads in the second link like she stepped out into the road and he decided to pass to the left, at which point she went back to the kerb, sound pretty dangerous to me.

Maybe he should have got a harsher sentance/fine, but I know there have been numerous occasions where I have done the same thing, because you get fed up with other road users.

But they didn't charge him with manslaughter which would have carried a sentence.

What? Shout "move cos I'm not stopping" and (from what I can see) when she did move, back towards the pavement, try to get through the gap between her and the kerb?
The guy got of lightly. What would you say about a motorist who yelled this out of his window at a pedestrian who stepped out in front of them?

+1

timiskinky is right though. The number of people who now step out in front of you (whether in a car or on a bike) with or without looking, but expecting you to stop anyway cos they don't give a fuck is ridiculous.

It's not totally clear if the collision took place on the footway or in the road but this telegraph article we have the following:

"Mr Collins said that the defendant admitted in a police interview that he could have steered away from the pedestrians but thought a shout was enough to avoid the collision."

The cyclist had a duty of care towards the pedestrians, ie to try and avoid colliding with them if he could. He did not.

There is NO SUCH THING AS JAY-WALKING IN THIS COUNTRY.

Nor, in my view, should there be.

Sorry, but pedestrians have a more of a right to be in the road, anywhere in the road, than cyclists do. Just as cyclists have more of right to be in the road, anywhere in the road, than motor-vehicles.

Possible place where it happened?

The problem with swerving is you can never predict which way a pedestrian will go once they see you. I've got a sprained wrist because a guy walked out on me and when I went to go in front of him, rather than stepping back on the pavement he stepped forward to.

Collision happened. Somehow he braced himself against my bike and threw me straight over the bars and I landed on my hand.

the sad reality is that if all road users (that includes pedestrians crossing, especially as they are most vulnerable) obeyed the law,or in the case of peds the guidelines in the highway code) then the vast majority of these situations wouldn't happen.

Instead everyone acts like a selfish cunt and looks to "blame" afterwards.

Peds: look before you step out and cross safely
Cars: drive at the speed limit, don't use mobiles and obey traffic signals and road markings
Bikes: don't ride on the pavement and obey traffic signals

I think it really could be that simple.

yes, we are still in danger as cyclists, especially with the HGV-left turn scenario, but again how many of those accidents were caused by the driver failing to obey the law..

How is that a possible place? And if so why was he travelling at 17mph?

Actually after reading the Telegraph article this is the more likely location.

I'm really not sure what difference the location makes, unless someone wants to plan a macabre "accident ride"

it is hard to judge from the articles, but either way, i'd consider myself very lucky indeed, paying a couple of grand for killing someone.