Tour de France 2008 - Page 11 - London Fixed-gear and Single-speed

mikec · 17th July 2008

more cheating bastards

No wonder he was so quick.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ng/7511518.stm

nimhbus · 17th July 2008

why the fuck do they bother? i don't get it.. they must know they're going to get caught!

fatboyralph · 17th July 2008

ricco is out. no polka dot jersey at the start

fatboyralph · 17th July 2008

few others under investigation. they're not naming them as yet

big daddy wayne · 17th July 2008

muppets…

dogsballs · 17th July 2008

how retarded can u be to test positive during the tour. wasn't ricco, the one who said he had a naturally high heamatocrit??!

vinylvillain · 17th July 2008

Saunier Duval have just pulled out

fatboyralph · 17th July 2008

SD were at the start but didnt go with the roll out.

dogmatic · 17th July 2008

As much as I have enjoyed following the tour some years ago, the last 3 tours have really pissed me off... I mean, if I want to see fake sports, I'll just watch some wrestling.
And I am starting to doubt anyone has won it doping-free ever...

JDB · 17th July 2008

This is so so bad, just when you think there might be a clean race this happens. How stupid are the riders and their doctors and team managers if they think they can get away with this, or gain anything by cheating.

Evans my cry, look like a bum faced muppet and suck wheel all over the place but at least he is clean.... (fingers crossed)

mr_tom · 17th July 2008

Naughty Ricco! No biscuit: http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breve...sitif_Dev.html

BringMeMyFix · 17th July 2008

There's nothing fake about riding the TdF. They don't pretend to pedal very fast up big fucking mountains.

For the record, I don't give a shit. Pity they're stupid enough to get caught, but that's it. I've posted on this subject before, so won't bother elaborating.

Flame me.

finsbury pete · 17th July 2008

Well, he did say he wanted to be like Pantani........

I don't get the sudden spate of EPO catches though... I thought the cheats mostly used it out of competition so it was gone from their systems by the time they raced. Maybe they developed a better test now? (if so, excellent)

andyp · 17th July 2008

There have been drug 'scandals' in the Tour since the very beginning. What is more surprising is that people seem to think it'll stop one day.

andyp · 17th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by finsbury pete

Well, he did say he wanted to be like Pantani........

I don't get the sudden spate of EPO catches though... I thought the cheats mostly used it out of competition so it was gone from their systems by the time they raced. Maybe they developed a better test now? (if so, excellent)

I think they are using a new variant of EPO, called CERA (Continuous Erythropoietin Receptor Activator) which I'm presuming hasn't been detectable up until now. Hence the sudden spate of positive tests.

cornelius blackfoot · 17th July 2008

@ dogmatic,
who was it that said you can't win the tour on bread and water alone. doping/taking drugs has been part of the tour since it started, its too hard for it not to be.
the doping thing doesn't upset me as much as it upsets others, because I just believe the nature of the tour, the difficulty of it, will always mean that riders will look to gain an advantage somewhere.
I thought Ricco's ride was superb, though obviously, this info puts it into perspective somewhat

nimhbus · 17th July 2008

doesn't bother me either, not a bit. i wish they'd stop worrying about. if people want to take stuff to help them win, great. i just wish they'd stop kicking people out halfway through

BringMeMyFix · 17th July 2008

Wow - the voice of reason - in chorus*.

*Campag bias

nimhbus · 17th July 2008

Ebony and Ivory in harmony together

dogsballs · 17th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyp

I think they are using a new variant of EPO, called CERA (Continuous Erythropoietin Receptor Activator) which I'm presuming hasn't been detectable up until now. Hence the sudden spate of positive tests.

thats what they just said on tv

mikec · 17th July 2008

Following from this argument, you will end up with genetically modified superhumans competing against eachother in the decades to come. Whats the point in that?

JDB · 17th July 2008

Struth, bloody hell.... Baden Cooke crashed out and retired from the race.

BringMeMyFix · 17th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikec

Following from this argument, you will end up with genetically modified superhumans competing against eachother in the decades to come. Whats the point in that?

Fantastic entertainment, and awe-inspiring physiological envelope pushing. Same as ever.

BringMeMyFix · 17th July 2008

It could be argued that the dominance of Afro-American track athletes was due to a form of genetic modification. Due to suffering at the hands of enslavers for hundreds of years, it was only the very very strong who survived; and bred. The evolution of an entire ethnic group was tampered with by the actions of others.

Obviously a few gold medals don't really make up for the human rights travesties.

nimhbus · 17th July 2008

racist.

mikec · 17th July 2008

^^ Yes you do have a point there. But that is pure Darwinism in action. Not caused by drugs

nimhbus · 17th July 2008

anyway, i hear Cadel Evans totally cheated by living int he mountains WHERE THE AIR IS THINNER and riding there everyday in preparation for the tour. what about all the poor bastards who were at sea level? it's just not fair, the cheating bumfaced squeker

BringMeMyFix · 17th July 2008

Drugs are a key player in the evolution of the species. Always have been, even before we synthesized them.

dogmatic · 17th July 2008

About EPO: indeed it's due to the fact that the 3rd gen EPO can now be detected that there are suddenly more positive cases.
There is talk of a 4th generation EPO which is basically a virus that is injected to the human body which then triggers the production of human EPO. Very hard to detect and -let's be honest- pretty scary.

big daddy wayne · 17th July 2008

Phil Ligett on Eurosport is blaming it on the commies! [seriously]

claus · 17th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BringMeMyFix

It could be argued that the dominance of Afro-American track athletes was due to a form of genetic modification. Due to suffering at the hands of enslavers for hundreds of years, it was only the very very strong who survived; and bred. The evolution of an entire ethnic group was tampered with by the actions of others.

Obviously a few gold medals don't really make up for the human rights travesties.

could be ... but i am not too sure whether that argument is of any scientific substance. 200 years (10 generations) of biased selection is rather a blip in terms of human evolution.

dogmatic · 17th July 2008

I blame it on fixed gear freestyling.

dogsballs · 17th July 2008

the fact that you can insert and upregulate many proteins in animal models, makes me believe that genetic modification in humans is already on the go!

tallsam · 17th July 2008

lovely high res photos of the tour here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...de_france.html

EDIT: just noticed these were linked already.

tallsam · 17th July 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by big daddy wayne

Phil Ligett on Eurosport is blaming it on the commies! [seriously]

Ligget is on Eurosport now?

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tallsam	lovely high res photos of the tour here: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...de_france.html EDIT: just noticed these were linked already. Last edited by tallsam; 17th July 2008 at 14:21..
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17th July 2008	#501
mikec	more cheating bastards No wonder he was so quick. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ng/7511518.stm
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17th July 2008	#502
nimhbus	why the fuck do they bother? i don't get it.. they must know they're going to get caught!
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17th July 2008	#503
fatboyralph	ricco is out. no polka dot jersey at the start
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17th July 2008	#504
fatboyralph	few others under investigation. they're not naming them as yet
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17th July 2008	#506
dogsballs	how retarded can u be to test positive during the tour. wasn't ricco, the one who said he had a naturally high heamatocrit??!
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17th July 2008	#507
vinylvillain	Saunier Duval have just pulled out
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17th July 2008	#508
fatboyralph	SD were at the start but didnt go with the roll out.
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17th July 2008	#509
dogmatic	As much as I have enjoyed following the tour some years ago, the last 3 tours have really pissed me off... I mean, if I want to see fake sports, I'll just watch some wrestling. And I am starting to doubt anyone has won it doping-free ever...
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17th July 2008	#510
JDB	This is so so bad, just when you think there might be a clean race this happens. How stupid are the riders and their doctors and team managers if they think they can get away with this, or gain anything by cheating. Evans my cry, look like a bum faced muppet and suck wheel all over the place but at least he is clean.... (fingers crossed)
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17th July 2008	#511
mr_tom	Naughty Ricco! No biscuit: http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breve...sitif_Dev.html
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17th July 2008	#512
BringMeMyFix	There's nothing fake about riding the TdF. They don't pretend to pedal very fast up big fucking mountains. For the record, I don't give a shit. Pity they're stupid enough to get caught, but that's it. I've posted on this subject before, so won't bother elaborating. Flame me.
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17th July 2008	#513
finsbury pete	Well, he did say he wanted to be like Pantani........ I don't get the sudden spate of EPO catches though... I thought the cheats mostly used it out of competition so it was gone from their systems by the time they raced. Maybe they developed a better test now? (if so, excellent)
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17th July 2008	#514
andyp	There have been drug 'scandals' in the Tour since the very beginning. What is more surprising is that people seem to think it'll stop one day.
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17th July 2008	#516
cornelius blackfoot	@ dogmatic, who was it that said you can't win the tour on bread and water alone. doping/taking drugs has been part of the tour since it started, its too hard for it not to be. the doping thing doesn't upset me as much as it upsets others, because I just believe the nature of the tour, the difficulty of it, will always mean that riders will look to gain an advantage somewhere. I thought Ricco's ride was superb, though obviously, this info puts it into perspective somewhat
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17th July 2008	#517
nimhbus	doesn't bother me either, not a bit. i wish they'd stop worrying about. if people want to take stuff to help them win, great. i just wish they'd stop kicking people out halfway through
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17th July 2008	#518
BringMeMyFix	Wow - the voice of reason - in chorus. Campag bias
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17th July 2008	#519
nimhbus	Ebony and Ivory in harmony together
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17th July 2008	#521
mikec	Following from this argument, you will end up with genetically modified superhumans competing against eachother in the decades to come. Whats the point in that?
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17th July 2008	#522
JDB	Struth, bloody hell.... Baden Cooke crashed out and retired from the race.
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17th July 2008	#524
BringMeMyFix	It could be argued that the dominance of Afro-American track athletes was due to a form of genetic modification. Due to suffering at the hands of enslavers for hundreds of years, it was only the very very strong who survived; and bred. The evolution of an entire ethnic group was tampered with by the actions of others. Obviously a few gold medals don't really make up for the human rights travesties.
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17th July 2008	#526
mikec	^^ Yes you do have a point there. But that is pure Darwinism in action. Not caused by drugs
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17th July 2008	#527
nimhbus	anyway, i hear Cadel Evans totally cheated by living int he mountains WHERE THE AIR IS THINNER and riding there everyday in preparation for the tour. what about all the poor bastards who were at sea level? it's just not fair, the cheating bumfaced squeker
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17th July 2008	#528
BringMeMyFix	Drugs are a key player in the evolution of the species. Always have been, even before we synthesized them.
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17th July 2008	#529
dogmatic	About EPO: indeed it's due to the fact that the 3rd gen EPO can now be detected that there are suddenly more positive cases. There is talk of a 4th generation EPO which is basically a virus that is injected to the human body which then triggers the production of human EPO. Very hard to detect and -let's be honest- pretty scary.
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17th July 2008	#530
big daddy wayne	Phil Ligett on Eurosport is blaming it on the commies! [seriously]
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17th July 2008	#532
dogmatic	I blame it on fixed gear freestyling.
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17th July 2008	#533
dogsballs	the fact that you can insert and upregulate many proteins in animal models, makes me believe that genetic modification in humans is already on the go!
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