London Fixed-gear and Single-speed SJS Cycles

Sorry to keep asking questions like this but you guys know your stuff, so it's your fault really. And yes I have done a search.

I'm doing the wheel building class that playswellwithotters has very kindly organised and I want to build some black wheels for the Gazelle. Black hubs, black rims, black spokes. I don't want to spend a fortune but I want whatever I do build to last and be light in weight. It'll be fixed and front brake only.

Any thoughts chaps/chapesses?

Thanks.

=)

Compiled from my various searches for threads on here

Formula/System X hubs (with Shimano DA lockring and track nut upgrade, maybe change bearings too)
CXP33 rims for a compromise between weight and looks
Sapim DB spokes available from Evans on The Cut for 50p each with silver alloy nipples.

goldtec hubs, so they wont fail

black brass nipples usuly 5p more then silver, so that would make them 5p

black brass nipples are expensive. if you get 1.8mm spokes you can have 2 x 100 boxes i've got, £18 ea ouch!

Black high flange Phils x black Sapim Lasers (they're black metal and won't scratch as opposed to DTs which are painted) x CXP33s (don't get deep-Vs if you want light wheels!)...
Or get some Condor branded Miche hubs if the budget won't stretch that far, they're cheaper...
Paul Comp hubs are nice too (and a bit different), they're cheaper than Phils and probably just as good... Goldtech hubs if you can find them in black...
That's my tuppence...
:)

on-ne hubs----£15 each + P&P from on-one

open pro rims £28.50 aech + P&P from www.cyclebasket.com
mavic 33cpx £29.80 each +P&P from www.cyclebasket.com
deep V £37 each from BLB

ACI Stainless Steel DB Spokes Black Single £0.27 each from www.cyclebasket.com

cogs £10 from www.cyclebasket.com

lockring euroasia (EAI) £6 from www.hubjub.co.uk

there you go, all black the cheapest, not to bad, a lot of people in here are having a combination of this set-up

if you decide to go for silver much more cheaper

cyclebasket haven't had the right size black spokes for 3x on deep section rim for a while ;)

What is your price range?

I'd go for Goldtec hub, DT swiss competition double butted spokes, black spoke nipples, and then... either Mavic Open Pro or if you're after something a bit different Velocity aerohead although you'll probably have trouble getting them here.

I use the above with Open Pro CD.

I wouldn't for anything too bling if it's your first wheel. My first wheels weren't that great compared to the ones I build now.

I did not know that!!

i used black deep v's laced to dia compe gran compe hubs useing dt swiss super comp spokes

For spokes check out www.53-12.com, they'll sell you boxes of 20, any lengths you want... They sorted me out last year when no one else could, all it took was a phone call... Think I paid £30 for two boxes inc. P&P... Not a bad price!

"Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you" - said to Lord Vader, by Yoda

Black spokes (should be lots cheaper elsewhere)
http://www.bonthronebikes.co.uk/267-210206
Black rims (they do have black; peel off stickers for pure black rim)
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetai...3%20700c%20Rim
Black hubs
http://www.betd.co.uk/items.asp?Cate...tec+Track+Hubs

So, black is the new black eh?

Sorry, VanUden, I put expensive stuff in there. Do like me; rob old people. Then get all the shit you need.

I think he mean cheap

I'm amazed deep V rims have been suggested. He said light.

And Phil Wood hubs?! You must be kidding. VanUden said he doesn't want to spend a fortune. Phils are about as expensive as they come.

I'm puzzled why aero rims have been mentioned too. Open Pros are 35g lighter than CXP33s. If you want aero rims, but for the wheel to be strong and light, go for less spokes, e.g. 28. Read The Bicycle Wheel by Jobsts Brandt for why.

buy 2nd hand set of those pista wheels off dolan

if you want light you go for carbon, speak of 35g of difference is a laugh

any way he has all the info he need to make his head up

i just had some built by arup, who's on here a bit. I had black goldtecs, black DT spokes (didn't know the sapims were black to the bone...) and cxp33s. Hardly even ridden them yet as i've been getting the rest of the parts together but they feel pretty smooth and light. I figured i'd spend an extra few quid in the hope they would last alot longer. All in i think they came to 250ish. not cheap but if you went for formula hubs or something it would knock about 60 quid off. More if you get those super cheap on-one hubs. Maybe search for the thread on replacing the bearings in cheaper hubs with much better quality replacements. I think that might be the key to cheap and good quality.

B.

my all black wheelset i roll te streets on is:

36h goldtec front and rear
black spokes
black nipples
black araya track rims, no braking surface, beatiful piece of Japanese craftmanship, courtesy of FGL

but the black spokes were a pain in the friggin neck to get

though you'll have to admit, that is the shittest website ever

Got Black Phil hubs (expensive) on black gloss Araya rims (cheap) on my Gazelle, but forewent the hassle of black spokes. Actually I quite like the way they glint in the subshine.

Thanks gents, informative as ever! Thanks to your suggestions I'm now thinking Goldtec hubs, sapim laser spokes and open pro rims. Cushty!

:)

or cp33's

VanUden I am in the process of picking up some Sapim laser spokes. for my new wheels. want to share the order to cut the price down?

had a set of these, joe.s has got them. nice wheels.

@Greasy Slag - sure, PM me your details and I'll get my people to talk to your people. Or, I'll just go halves or something.

Black hubs, black spokes, black rims.
All together now...

I luvs that track ^

:D

This thread is making me depressed that Cavendish still haven't got my black rims in yet.

black wheels are faster that convencional ones.

goldtec hubs, sapim laser spokes and open pro rims? £200+ self-build wheelset?

I would say only open pro are in the "good on a budget" category.

That's bein' poor for yer...;)

i'm in for this as well!
could make it even cheaper.
i found a site in germany that sells sapims. even with the shipping to the uk they still work out cheaper than buying them in the uk. let me try and find it again...

You've got me. The hubs are an investment though, so will be cheaper in the long-run. That's how I'm going to justify it anyway...

;)

ha!ha! yeah I find it all amusing this stuff as thankfully I just can't afford to get ideas above my station at the moment - in awe of the dudes who only ever go for high end parts.. me I'll start spending when I ride 200 miles a week and don't fall off :)

^^^
towards the bottom of this blog post.

mister k.. is it possible to do a group order like this where everyone needs different spoke lengths? I might be interested too if it is.

oh yeah, haha!
didn't think about that!
think i'm gonna go for on one/formula on deep v (rear only). i've yet to work out how long the spokes would need to be.
i guess we'd save on the shipping costs, which probably makes a bit of a difference from germany.

280-282mm

aha! our resident fountain of knowledge.
cheers dale.

high flange 3x on open pro 290-292.
high-flange radial on deep-v 260.

i'd order 260, 280, 290. will cover 90% of bases with high flange track hubs

Great minds think alike...

Sorry to wade in. I'm also doing the wheel-building class, but I don't know what length spokes I need. I've ordered Phil high-flange hubs and CXP33 rims.

Do any of you know which lengths I need?

like a deep-v 280-282

Great, thanks. Are nipples all the same?

(Please, no one go there.)

thats using the standard 12mm nipples.

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