G'day Chaps and Chapesses

Anyone run Goldtec with Miche cranks?

Miche recommend a 107mm BB for a 42mm chainline, but Goldtec are 45mm (supposedly) so I should get a 111 or more?

if anyone runs this set up and knows what BB they got, I'd really like to know,

cheers comrades!

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miche + campag record 111m + goldtec + EAI = MrSmith
Miche (Condor-branded) + Miche 107mm (cups adjusted 2mm towards drivechain) + Goldtec + EAI 1/8" = eeehhhh {46mm chainline}

damn you murtle, don't you have anything better to do?? :P

ha, was free for one minute :)

Hamster...pardon the silly question....what is the difference between miche and miche [condor branded].....are they significantly different?.....i am 'winning' an ebay bid for miche [condor branded]....would not a campag 111mm [centaur]....not give 45mm chainline?

Nothing, the Miche Condor branded cranks are just Primato that are black, and the chainring has different graphics on it. After my set got bent yesterday I've replaced them today with the Condor branded ones, and can confirm they're identical.

yes, campag centaur 111mm fine!

the other thing to note is that the bb tool for miche is the same as campy chorus/record

Comrades.....Thank you for your help and collected wisdom......

I'm putting together my first fixed-gear (a conversion of an old Armstrong Moth frame) and am thinking of running a Sugino RD chainset with a set of 'Goldtec on Open Pro' wheels.

The matching BB for the Sugino RD is the Sugino 103mm, which by all accounts gives the standard 42mm chainline. But Goldtec hubs have a 45mm chainline, so I'm trying to make sure ahead of time that I get the correct BB to square with this.

I see from the transmission database that there's one example of this combo:
Sugino RD + UN53/107 + Condor Goldtec + EAI= hamster

Is 'Condor Goldtec' the same as Goldtec from betd, in terms of chainline?

I'm new at this kind of thing, but if my understanding is correct, wouldn't a 109mm BB be right to give a 45mm chainline, if 103mm gives 42mm? Am I missing something that makes the 107mm correct?

P.S. I hope resurrecting old threads is OK here. This one seemed sensible for my questions.

Thanks.

111mm

yeah 109 would make it perfect, but my 107 is close enough for me.

I run a campag record 109mm with my goldtech hubs and it is spot on

109 is symetrical and 107 is assymetrical. basically the drive side is the same length. go the shimano 107

A campag record is definitely not on the horizon given the price.

I've got a shimano 107 (runs well, not sure how new it is because it was given to me for free) and a 110 (almost new) and I promised to give one of them away on here ages ago so you can try them out and take the one that fits best, if you like. I'm in E2. Or I can post you one of them for the cost of postage (£2).

dogsballs, is right, the 107 seems assymetrical, I think there is only about 1mm difference between the drive side of the 107 and 110.
EDIT: I wonder if the drive side length is actually the same on both - I'm going to measure them tonight.

My Mate has just purchased that lovely Mike Kowal frame, forks etc from Gus. It came with a 111mm campag record BB ( he thinks ). Would Miche hubs work with this. If not any cheapish alternatives?

107

I checked: the drive side (from where the shell would meet the cups to the end of the axle) is the same on the shimano 107 as on the 110 so would give exactly the same chainline. I must have been totally kidding myself when I thought switching to the 107 had slightly improved my chainline.

So, Krakow, if you want a 107 you're welcome to mine (only 3 careful owners).

i am using sugino 75 cranks, goltech hubs, phil wood sprocket and the phil wood BB 110.5 but it is adjustable to get the perfect chainline

Thanks very much to everyone for your help.

What a great and useful reception on my first use of the forums (I'm a visitor from the relatively fledgling http://www.glasgowfgss.com/ and a sometime user of bikeradar).

It sounds like the 107mm is definitely the way to go by the consensus here. I assume that the Shimano UN54 (the current version of the UN53, right?) is the same, so that the 68x107mm will be asymmetrical and the one to go for, if buying new?

dinosaur, thanks very much for your generous offer. As hinted above, I'm located in Glasgow though, so it would have to be a postal transaction...

yeah thats right for sugino RD with JIS, totally different for sugino 75 which is iso

Welcome to the forum Krakow.

You did exactly the right thing by resurrecting a relevant thread and asked sensible questions. Hope you're sorted now.

@Krakow: It'll be a well travelled bottom bracket because it was sent to me from Liverpool. Send me a PM with your weegie address and if you send a couple of quid (paypal?) for postage I'll mail it up to you.

Thanks dinosaur, just going to PM you now, very generous of you.

@andyp, thanks for the welcome. It makes sense to me, but I've used some forums in the past where it meets with much telling off and posting of Zombie jpegs for some strange reason, so you never know.

I'm gonna get the StealthWheel™ on the DeathBike™ today... Because I'm crap with chainline am I gonna have a problem going from Sugino 75 BB and cranks to Goldtec hub and EAI cog, I've been running a Phil hub up until now... Cheers muchly...

Four snot blocks and you're asking questions like that? Sheesh.

According to Sheldon (you've heard of him right? :-) there's going to be about a 2 mm difference. You'll probably get away with that, if not then you need a longer bb axle.

I know I'm gonna go from a 42mm to a 45mm chainline but don't know how much diff that's gonna really make when I'm riding... Expect I'll find out soon enough... Could do without splurging on a new BB/axle...
You may not remember, but I'm the twat that got his first wheels built and the chainline was 10mm out... Expensive (and very embarrassing) mistake... They still laugh at me down at BC about that one... And rightly so... The snot blocks are drunken fucktard points, nothing to be proud of... ;]