Hi, I want to build up a fixed/single speed bike, Im new to fixed wheel riding so in need of a little advice.... I have purchased a Dolan fixed frame set its not with me yet but I want to start getting bits for it. Have some nice DA calipers that I want to put on, looking for some other DA bits to match. I want to get a DA track chain set but cannot find them easily.... Also what are the advantages/disadvantages to 1/8 or 3/32 pitch, I was going to go for 1/8. Any recommendation on wheels.... I have a quote for a pair of goltechs on campag rims for £225 from freshtripe, I may go with these but not sure what size hub I need... 120mm?

Thanks in advance.

120mm at the back. 110mm at the front. Throw away the brakes. Don't need 'em ;P. The best way to learn to ride brakeless is to have no option from the beginning. 1/8" and 3/32" chains are similar. 1/8" is bigger. I've got 1/8" and it's quite nice. Not really any difference though. Wheels sound quite nice. Get it done nice and quick so you can get out there.

100mm at the front.
but no need to worry about them, they only come in that size.

and USE A BRAKE. andrew seemed to have forgotten about the relationship between your legs and your gear ratio. as a start, unless you're riding anything less than 50 gear inches, use a brake. search for "50x14" on this forum and you'll know full well why you should use one.

check this for the answer to your chain question.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixeda.html

it's at the very bottom. although i actually prefer 1/8".

and for the purist in me don't mix your DA parts with a pair of campag rims. it's bad karma.

Thanks for the advice, I am intending to get a flip flop hub so I can wimp out of the fixed bit sometimes. Thus I will need brakes for singlespeed use.

Think I will go for mavic rims instead of the campag.

50" sounds tiny, I thinking of 70" maybe.

I run 48x18 which works out at 72" I think. I was just jesting about the brakes. For fixed you should have one on the front and for singlespeed you need two.

Mavic OpenPros are popular as are CXP33's.

cxp22s if you want to spend slightly less.

why DA chain? why not just get a KMC? it's cheaper, no-one will ever know.

Chains are personal preference, I worked on this principle:
- 3/32" lighter
- 1/8" chain and rear sprocket will wear less and last longer; they're 33% wider so more metal contact.

You can still run a 3/32" chainring up front with a 1/8" chain without any trouble. If you're buying brand new, get all the widths to match.

Both 3/32" and 1/8" chains will have the same amount of chain stretch over time, all other dimensions (and hardness) being the same.

If you've done a bit of riding before, you should already know if you are a:
- spinner = go about 70"
- stomper = go about 73"

You'll have more fun to begin with if you go for a lower gear ratio. It's easier to trackstand and learn to skid if that's your thing.

get these:
outspoken cycles are by far and away my favorite bike shop right now:
incrediby good value.com

it's probably mentioned in ed's link, but anyway: goldtecs have a strange chainline. I think the normal thing to do is to run a 111mm campag centaur BB. This will work fine with miche/sugino/campag/stronglight/DA cranks, I think. But not shimano.

And its only a bottom bracket, no-one will ever have to know it's not french!

+1 on outspoken - It would probably cost you almost the same if you built the cheapest wheels yourself.

Sorry... DA is shimano?? Can I not run my goldtechs with dura ace track crankset and shimano bottom bracket?
Does campag square taper fit into my shimano crank arms??

DA hubs have a standard chainline of 42mm
goldtecs are a bit OUT, approx. 44/45mm

people run a 111 campag centaur with sugino 75's with goldtecs.
i'm not sure what options you have to get a perfect chainline with DA cranks with goldtec hubs though. anyone?

wot 'e said.

5mm spacer on drive side between locknut and frame, as long as your frame has a little give or you don't mind cold setting (steel only).
That'll shift the chainline in by 2.5mm.
Wheel may have to be re-dished, but if you're building from scratch you'll be doing this anyway.

do not cold set that dolan! its new doing that will void your warenty. i like 1/8th chain sets. if you spunking on a DA chain set, get matching hubs, and you will be happy. don't have experience with goldtecs but fourmengers love them, and most of us are always right (so long as they don't disagree with me innit). I have used phils and formulas so far as hubs go, formulas are for beaters.

to get chainline with your goldtecs you could use and adjustable bb, phil wood and miche come to mind. I know you can get phil axels for any cranks, not sure about the miche.

In case you do go for Goldtec hubs, the chainline with...

1/8" EAI cog = 46mm
3/32" EAI cog = 47mm

(Source: my bike)

i'd get DA hubs myself too. you can argue it's not cartridge bearings they only got rubber seals but as are most (all?) other shimano hubs.

if you still go with goldtecs i think a phil BB might be the answer (if you can afford it). don't get the miche. miche are ISO taper and fitting DA cranks on it will bring the cranks 4.5mm IN and i assume that the cranks won't even get enough clearance from the chainstays.

Frame has now arrived and I am dead pleased with it.... thanks for your help, think I am going to go with Sugino 75- Campag centaur - goldtec - eai.... should give me a chainline of 45mm i hope.

Need to source some goldtec's on mavic open pro rims.... any ideas where??

These are drivechains that work to give you a good chain line (unless other wise stated)


Crankset + BB + rear hub + cog = your name
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Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = Cornelius Blackfoot
Sugino 75 + campag centaur 111mm + goldtec + eai = dogsballs
Sugino 75 + Miche + Formula = kowalski
Sugino 75 + Miche+ Phil Wood = adoubletap
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 + ShimanoHB7600 + EAI superstar cog = Tynan
Sugino 75 + Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + EAI = mr_tom
Sugino 75 + Dura Ace + Condor Goldtec + Condor CNC = Mouse
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Goldtec + EAI= 31t®um
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 + ShimanoHB7600 + Dura-ace= Build
Sugino 75 + Phil (110.5) + Phil + EAI Superstar = Object
Sugino 75 + Miche + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = d.mac ( if it ever comes back from Condor....)

miche+miche+miche+andel+miche=fixedfreak (max)
miche + campag record 111m + goldtec + EAI = MrSmith
Miche Primato Pista + Shimano UN54/110 + Formula + Dura Ace = CHUG_IT
Miche (Condor-branded) + Miche 107mm (cups adjusted 2mm towards drivechain) + Goldtec + EAI 1/8" = eeehhhh (46mm chainline)

Sugino Messenger + Phil wood (103 jis) + phil wood + phil wood= chris crash
Sugino RD + Sugino + ambrosio + miche = asm } both are pretty much spot on
Sugino RD + UN53/107 + Condor Goldtec + EAI= hamster
Sugino RD+Sugino/103+Sys-X+Dura Ace= MA3K

Stronglight+UN53/107+Sys-X+Formula= MA3K
Stronglight + Shimano UN73 110mm + SystemEx + EAI -2mm = mr_tom
Stronglight + Stronglight + SystemEx + Tranzmission = BringMeMyFix
Stronglight + UN72 113mm + Miche + EAI = Richard Cheese (all 3/32 - chainline is not spot on, but the set-up is silent)
Stronglight + Shitmano UN26 110MM + Goldtec + EAI = RPM (3/32 spot on and silent)

Campagnolo Veloce Triple + Campag Veloce + Goldtec + Tranzmission = BringMeMyFix
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Athena + Phils (Hub and cog) = Jonny
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Pista + Campag Pista = Platini
Campagnolo Record + campag record + royce + eai = briankwan
Campagnolo Pista + Campagnolo Pista + Dura Ace + Dura Ace = Skully (can't be straight, I never get anything right)
Campagnolo Pista + Campag + ambrosia + Phil Wood = Sano
Campagnolo + Campag Centaur 111mm + Suzue Promax SB + EAI superstar = oddsock
Campagnolo Pista + Specialities TA + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = VelocityBoy
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Record 111mm (80's) + Phil + Phil = tristoo

Dura-Ace + Sugino 75 + Dura-Ace (7600) + Dura-Ace = hassanr
Dura-Ace + Shimano UN72 (unknown length) + Surly + EAI Superstar = Object
Dura Ace+UN53/107+Dura Ace+Dura Ace= MA3K
Dura-Ace+ UN54/107+ Suzue Promax SB+ Surly= Eyebrows

DOTEK cheapy + Campag Mirage + Formula + Dura-Ace = fc9k
DOTEK cheapy + shimano BBUN26x113mm +OnOne small flange double fixed hub + Miche1/8sprocket = xroads

TA + TA(314) + Campag + Miche = Fruitbat
Truvativ + (??) stock bianchi pista + phil wood + EAI = asm }
Middleburn RS1+ Shimano XT 68 113+ White Bros Eno + Surly/ Miche= tommid
White Industries + Shimano 110mm + Phils + White Industries = big daddy wayne
Paul + Campag Centaur 111mm + paul + phil = flickwg
SR Sakae + Shimano UN54 118mm + SJS (SystemEx et al) + Andel = ChrisNW
Zeus Pista (circa 80's) + Campag Pista 109mm + Formula + Miche = tristoo

outspoken!

cheap as chips + can be built onto opens.

BETD do wheelbuilds. Look good value to me.

There are a few people who do wheelbuilding on here. People would be willing to show you how to build your own. It's fairly easy, and i've done a few now and each wheel you do gets better and better very quickly.

edit: or as eyebrows said, outspoken. Few people on here rate them highly; I've only spoken to them on the phone but even then they couldn't help enough.

Anyone remember the link to cheaper flip flop and fixed hubs???

all you've got to do is click 'hubs' on the link above...
http://www.outspokencycles.co.uk/pro...products_id/58