Why does being on a bike in London cause so much conflict? (this time, a jaywalker) - Page 3 - London Fixed-gear and Single-speed

wheels · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by h2o

Per your alter ego.

You have lost me now ??!! :)

What is the point your are attempting to make ?

tynan · 31st March 2008

Yeah !

h2o · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by wheels

You have lost me now ??!! :)

What is the point your are attempting to make ?

How disingenuous.

wheels · 31st March 2008

Thanks Tynan, I love you.

wheels · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by h2o

How disingenuous.

No, really, I do not know what you are trying to say, sorry if I am being thick !?

You have quoted something I said and replied: 'Per your alter ego' ?

I am not sure what the point is you are making ?

h2o · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by tynan

What you do not want to do is 'find out she's ok, and keep going' - you want to make the experience of blindly wondering into the road as unpleasant as possible for her so this person is reminded never to do that again.

This refresh your memory?

tynan · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by wheels

Thanks Tynan, I love you.

Love you too, see you later at home.

x x x

wheels · 31st March 2008

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Originally Posted by h2o

This refresh your memory?

That is something I wrote, yes, but I still don't understand the point you are driving at ?

Can you not just simply say what it is you are alluding to ?

h2o · 1st April 2008

You've spent this entire thread advocating flying off the handle at peds pour encourager les autres. As I quoted - you advocated exaggerating the situation and making it as unpleasant an experience as possible, so that they remember all the better.

Then when I point out that this is basically advocating intimidation as a form of manipulation - not, as you would have it, a spontaneous, unplanned natural response (which by definition you wouldn't consciously try to embellish) - you accuse me of calling you Hitler.

I thought Fear Up Harsh was a better analogy. It's about the same concept - yelling at people to scare them so that they comply.

asm · 1st April 2008

Er, dooks, which pool do you use? : S

*hopes it isn't the london fields lido*

rusty · 1st April 2008

www.whatacunt.co.uk

wheels · 1st April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by h2o

You've spent this entire thread advocating flying off the handle at peds pour encourager les autres. As I quoted - you advocated exaggerating the situation and making it as unpleasant an experience as possible, so that they remember all the better.

Ah! I see ! Yes, this was basically what I was putting forward, making the action of putting someone's safety at risk an unpleasant experience, not a pleasant one.

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Originally Posted by h2o

Then when I point out that this is basically advocating intimidation as a form of manipulation - not, as you would have it, a spontaneous, unplanned natural response (which by definition you wouldn't consciously try to embellish) - you accuse me of calling you Hitler.

I think the (not entirely serious) Hitler comment was in response to your silly idea that I want so badly to punish the rest of the world for not meeting [my] exacting standards (!)

(Good god !) :D

Anyhow, like I say this is going nowhere.

If someone is careless enough to walk out into the road I will likely shout at them, if this happens to you, you may take a different approach, that's just about the whole of the situation. You may, if you want, attempt to present my view as 'punishing the world, social engineering, scaring people into compliance, tantamount to interrogation and so on, but I don't see it as anything other than people getting pissed off at stupid recklessness.

Anyhow, stay safe, no hard feelings :)

Yours,

Adolf.

asm · 1st April 2008

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Wheels, slayer of men, eater of virgins: Ah! I see ! Yes, this was basically what I was putting forward, making the action of putting someone's safety at risk an unpleasant experience, not a pleasant one.

Yes, well no, but yes, I completely disagree ! Pedestrians are like religion, we must worship them. Death to the non - believer !

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Wheels, son of Satan, King of the underworld: if someone is careless to walk out into the road I will likely shout at them

HEATHEN! HEATHEN!

BRM · 1st April 2008

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Originally Posted by d0cA

yay! what i enjoy doing is riding along and as you pass bus stops, people are always standing out trying to wave downa taxi or bus with their hand up in the air, so i try to high-five them! :-)

Inspirational!

VelocityBoy · 1st April 2008

Hehe, I do the same thing.

Or when they are waving down taxi's I'm like "Oh, hi... how are ya." as I pull up beside them. Confuses them and frustrates the taxi, but is dead funny. Honest. You've got to be there I guess.

Aroogah · 1st April 2008

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Originally Posted by d0cA

yay! what i enjoy doing is riding along and as you pass bus stops, people are always standing out trying to wave down a taxi or bus with their hand up in the air, so i try to high-five them! :-)

Ha ha ha! I thought that was just me, glad I'm not the only one. It's especially funny to do that to tourists, man does it confuse them.

If you make riding around London a game, then it's far less stressful.

dooks · 1st April 2008

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Originally Posted by asm

Er, dooks, which pool do you use? : S

*hopes it isn't the london fields lido*

haha nope. ironmonger row baths mostly.

hey just for the record i did a good solid hour without yelling at anyone last night.

then on my way in this morning i hit a bloke on kilburn high road. he had run out in front of a lorry that was pulling away from some lights as i was coming up the inside of it. i just managed to get my foot down without falling into some roadworks. neither of us were hurt i don't think. he was obviously shaken though. i managed to restrict the rage to muttering "twat" under my breath. he said "sorry" and i just rode off.

oh and then - on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had *just* gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face. what a dick. anyway - i just thought of this thread, smiled to myself and carried on.

hippy · 1st April 2008

Depends on the sitch. Sometimes I smile and wave..
Sometimes I'll yell until my lungs are on the ground.
Sometimes I'll kill them and sell their organs on ebay's organ auction.
I don't do Zen. I don't do hold it in. I'm an angry person and if someone fucks with my safety they can expect to be told about it. If not, I'm too tired or drunk to care and they get a free attempted murder.

BringMeMyFix · 1st April 2008

[concerned]@ dooks - I hope you don't make a habit of riding up the inside of lorries.[/concerned]

chris crash · 2nd April 2008

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Originally Posted by dooks

oh and then - on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had *just* gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face. what a dick. anyway - i just thought of this thread, smiled to myself and carried on.

hmm i have only gotten agro off peds when i had a green light and they where jay walking, one tried to stick his umbrella in my spokes, a good swift kick sent the umbrella down bayswater road. he was yelling "red light", my response was "yeah for you"

ihatelaw · 2nd April 2008

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Originally Posted by dooks

on the strand also this morning, i jummped some lights at a ped crossing that had *just* gone red. there was no-one crossing from the left so the people crossing from the right hadn't even reached the island in the middle. in short i was miles from them. as i cycled away a bloke in a spivvy suit walked out into the road deliberately and tried to stand in front of me as i tried to go round him he shouted "they apply to you too" at me and tried to get right in my face.

ha ha soo true I find on the Strand if there's stationery traffic, and a pedestrian crossing, there will be someone on the crossing 100% of the time, whether the light is red or not.

in fact, when I ride on the Strand, I always sit right back on the saddle because it is entirely luck whether or not you hit someone walking in front of a bus. If you sit back on the saddle you're more stable at least. I also kind of zig zag (while checking over my shoulder). If you are carving, it's much easier to stop/go round idiot pedestrians than if you ride in a straight line. Also it means if you hit anyone, the (tougher) side of your body will take the impact, instead of your front wheel. But you have to be very careful about motorcyclists and cyclists coming up silently behind you and not expecting you to ride in a zig-zag.

be particularly careful when the theatres are closing too, i find (about 9). Lots and lots of elderly tourists. It is actually safer to ride on the pavement on the south side of the Strand at this time, I find.

i actually sent a guy flying on the strand once.

Platini · 2nd April 2008

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Originally Posted by ihatelaw

ha ha soo true I find on the Strand if there's stationery traffic, and a pedestrian crossing, there will be someone on the crossing 100% of the time, whether the light is red or not.

i actually sent a guy flying on the strand once.

E for envelope, A for ambulance...

BringMeMyFix · 2nd April 2008

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Originally Posted by Platini

E for envelope, A for ambulance...

I always use 'a' for adjective.

'e' for envelope is good though :)

Platini · 2nd April 2008

Yeah, A for adjective is much better, I'll use that from now. After all, ambulances aren't always stationary (thankfully for us).

MJC · 27th July 2008

jaywalking isn't an offense in the UK. Peds have more right to be on the roads than cars.

Pifko · 27th July 2008

...why bump

|³|MA3K · 27th July 2008

Crispin Glover · 31st July 2008

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Originally Posted by tynan

I think his reaction is entirely natural, visceral, instinctual even, we can no easier be injured by a thoughtless pedestrian and then be thankful in any way whatsoever than we can cut off a finger and remain free of pain.

What you are watching when you see a cyclist dragging his bike from under a cab and calling the driver every name under the Sun - is not a thought through stream of invective towards the cab driver, it is a reaction, it is your autonomous nervous system telling you to shout as loud as you can, it is the flight or fight response flooding your muscles with blood and your blood with adrenalin and then instructing you to punch any fucker that comes near you, you cannot simply switch this off, dust yourself down and 'keep going'. Some may control this instinct better than others, but instinct it is.

When someone risks their own and my safety through thoughtlessness I give them both barrels, fuck it, they don't even have to make contact with me, a close call is enough to get called a cunt.

'why abuse her in the first place' - Again pretty basic stuff, abuse, physical or otherwise is a warning not to repeat. The abuse serves a purpose, the person who walks into the road without looking, causes a cyclist to come off and receives a 3 minute stream of obscenities as you dust yourself down and stem your bleeding is less likely to be so carefree about walking out into the road in the future.

It is an investment.

What you do not want to do is 'find out she's ok, and keep going' - you want to make the experience of blindly wondering into the road as unpleasant as possible for her so this person is reminded never to do that again.

I like your style, clearly a Darwinian.

chris crash · 31st July 2008

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Originally Posted by MJC

jaywalking isn't an offense in the UK. Peds have more right to be on the roads than cars.

they should be shot.

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31st March 2008	#104
wheels	Thanks Tynan, I love you.
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1st April 2008	#109
h2o	You've spent this entire thread advocating flying off the handle at peds pour encourager les autres. As I quoted - you advocated exaggerating the situation and making it as unpleasant an experience as possible, so that they remember all the better. Then when I point out that this is basically advocating intimidation as a form of manipulation - not, as you would have it, a spontaneous, unplanned natural response (which by definition you wouldn't consciously try to embellish) - you accuse me of calling you Hitler. I thought Fear Up Harsh was a better analogy. It's about the same concept - yelling at people to scare them so that they comply.
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1st April 2008	#110
asm	Er, dooks, which pool do you use? : S hopes it isn't the london fields lido
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1st April 2008	#115
VelocityBoy	Hehe, I do the same thing. Or when they are waving down taxi's I'm like "Oh, hi... how are ya." as I pull up beside them. Confuses them and frustrates the taxi, but is dead funny. Honest. You've got to be there I guess.
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1st April 2008	#118
hippy	Depends on the sitch. Sometimes I smile and wave.. Sometimes I'll yell until my lungs are on the ground. Sometimes I'll kill them and sell their organs on ebay's organ auction. I don't do Zen. I don't do hold it in. I'm an angry person and if someone fucks with my safety they can expect to be told about it. If not, I'm too tired or drunk to care and they get a free attempted murder.
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1st April 2008	#119
BringMeMyFix	[concerned]@ dooks - I hope you don't make a habit of riding up the inside of lorries.[/concerned]
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2nd April 2008	#124
Platini	Yeah, A for adjective is much better, I'll use that from now. After all, ambulances aren't always stationary (thankfully for us).
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27th July 2008	#125
MJC	jaywalking isn't an offense in the UK. Peds have more right to be on the roads than cars.
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