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Well you shouldn't have to be convinced, you should find out for yourself. Get reading. That's the problem with most voters in this country - they want it spelt out for them cos they can't be bothered to be do a bit of reading, and as such are totally susceptible to all the hearsay and none of the facts.

the labour party doesn't really exist any more. it's only called that so they can keep taking the unions money.

errr...ummm...ahh...DRUG! Islam is responsible for all of England's drug problems...feww!

Read back at what I said a few posts before. The sources I see are from those that are left wing, I can't trust a left wing source when discussing a right wing party. Same way I wouldn't believe a conservative who said that all commubnists are terrorists.

Nimhbus' quote is pretty conclusive that their chairman has rtacist views and that I've never doubted. It's the assumption that every member is a racist that I have trouble with.

I don't want to argue about it though it's so far off my radar, and I'm not likely to vote for some crackpot fringe party whatever their views.

to back and actively support a political party run by a racist is obviously racist.

I hope you would at least vote to keep the BNP out Pistanator if you lived in an area where they have gained some ground.
I suspect anyone who joins the BNP probably does have racist views. Trouble is, not everyone who has racist views joins the BNP. There are racists in my family; they're not actually bad people, they'd never go out and be violent, but they are horribly prejudiced and ill informed. Their 'facts' come from the tabloid press. You know where you are with someone if they wear a white sheet and burn crosses; it's the others who look and, in public, sound reasonable that are the problem.

Yep I can see what you're saying Ant, and I think you're probably right that not all members of the BNP are racist - but only the ones who are too daft to read about the party they have just joined.
If someone supports the BNP and does not beleive in racial discrimination they have missed some things fairly fundamental to the existence of the BNP.

What good does outing anyone do? It's designed to breed contempt, and hatred for the people being outed, causes hurt and harm to them.

Would it be OK in anyway to out people based on their sexual habits? Or based upon their fetish? Or based upon anything really... I mean is outing someone an acceptable action?

In this case it's political belief, and there are laws relating specifically to the notion of democratic free elections that grant you privacy. You are allowed to tell no-one your political beliefs and affiliations* and to feel safe that you can vote free of intimidation from anyone else, and free of being judged based upon your political beliefs.

Of course, just because you have been granted that freedom you can choose to tell people your beliefs. This is your choice, you made it... but no-one else is allowed to do it for you.

Just because their political beliefs do not square with mine. Just because it is quite likely that their political beliefs would (if given the chance) oppress mine, it doesn't make it right for me to ignore my beliefs or their rights in attempting to oppress theirs. Doing so would make me no better than them, and choosing to participate in a cycle of hate around the BNP members is simply you lowering yourself to their level.

You've got to accept that to live in a democracy means that if you want to believe in something that is offensive to me then you should be allowed to. Otherwise, what stops someone else from telling you that your beliefs are wrong?

What's that Voltaire quote**? It seems applicable: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.".

* Unless you happen to have been a member of the Communist Party unfortunately.
** Not actually said by Voltaire, but was attributed to him.

That quote was actually Voltaire's mom; she'd asked him to tidy his room and Voltaire had told her to suck on a fat one.

I think VB is exactly right. But the urge to put a bit of fear in to these people is easy to understand since they pay money to a party who's activists do exactly that to some of the most vulnerable people in Britain.
But as I say, you are right VB; the only course of action must be to fight them politically. I find the SWP and Respect pretty risible in many ways but it is almost entirely due to their activists' campaigning that the BNP is no longer voted for on the Isle of Dogs. If the BNP disgust you then don't throw bricks, give money or time to those people who devote their time and energy to active politics.

which is exactly what rep is for!

to back and actively support a political party run by a christian makes you obviously christian?

I'd agree with that Will - the BNP are rightly hated for their bigotry, but similarly they are hated for the fact that they are a group of thugs that promotes violence. This does have the unfortunate consequence of making people want to be violent back to them.

if the parties ideologies are based entirely on their Christian views it would be likely that the supporters are sympathetic to Christianity.

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Nationalism didn't exist until we invented passports.

Not everything can be compared to everything else. These are people who financially (and probably in other ways) support the BNP. More than that actually, these people are the BNP. People should have a problem with that.

Here are a few qutoes from (the always trustworthy) wikipedia:

The forum invented passports?

Did anyone manage to take a copy before it got taken down?

yes

Oh mwuaahahahahah you're such a funny twat.

RACIST is a misnomer anyway. We shouldn't use that word.

Human Beings are the only Race of people. We are not separate species!

If you want to see what type of people are members of the BNP, check out stormfront (don't visit stormfront if you're at work. That would be very very silly).

http://anonym.to/?http://www.stormfr...d.php?t=543413

What the fuck's Shaun Wright Philips gotta do with this, keep football out of it!? Racist

Used to skate with a guy called Rich. Nice guy, good laugh, big drinker. Tried to get us all into the BNP one day, had all the leaflets. Was a member, we never knew. We fucked him off and never saw him again, apparently he's a massive junkie now. Cnut!

great... thanks...

ok, so is there a functioning link to it too?

You still writing for Mills and Boon?

Being a member of the BNP makes you an ignorant punk, and racist and xenophobic by association. There have been enough exposes to reveal the party to be massively prejudice at it's core.

On the side. It pays for my BNP membership.

merci, damo

sorry had to go back through and find it in my history.

+1 to Velcocity Boy. we have a political system in this contry. targeting individuals cos they are members of a fringe party is a bit sad. If you have ever met a BNP member they are often just a bit odd and sad although there is a thuggish element too occasionally. would people have done the same if a list of Respect members came out, some of whom have said some pretty atrocious things about Israel and Jews in general?

Besides which it's not as if any of the people on this list are responsible for Cluster bombing Iraqi children which most of our political establishment voted for if i remember correctly.

Yes they hold prejudiced and ugly views, that is their right in this country. challenge their prejudice and their hate and bile, but don't make threats to break windows etc even if it's a joke or else you become as intolerant and nasty as them

this article was posted up on the guardian,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ers-map-mashup

as someone has used the post codes in the members list and applied it to google maps, its by postcode so not specifically accurate but does make you aware of where the BNP has a larger or smaller base...

http://spod.cx/bnp_members_list.shtml

ps. Racist

map taken down. as the guy who published it pointed out, it doesn't really help at all, merely mirrors the population distribution as you'd expect.

thus quoteth the famous oracle Wiki Pedia:
"The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right[11][12][13][14] and whites only[11][15][16] in the "

'Whites Only'

Racist

There are no black people in the BNP. It is a white-only party.
FACT.

'xenophobic'

No surprise he's on the list:

Member 28

Atkinson, Ronald
Sovereign House
Sheepskin Lane
Solihull

Occupation- sports commentator

Except that he frequently played on the Right Wing when at Chelsea. Today he is more in the middle.

This is the problem with this broadcasting of unreliable info - Big Ron isn't on the list I downloaded yesterday - presumably someone who doesn't like him has just put him on there (or vice versa)

And there was me thinking BNP stood for "Bloody Nice People"...

HAHAHAHA check the address.

Someone has to do a google map...

There was an incident a few years ago when the BNP, in an attempt to forge links with the one Ulster unionist paramilitary groups (can't remeber which one), sent a contingent over to Belfast to meet them. The group, not wanting to have any association with this bunch of racist fuckers, sent with their delegation a black former British soldier who had served in Northern Ireland and joined them. There is undercover footage of the meeting, showing the BNP cunts almost literally shitting themselves before leaving smartish

Yes, but, all black people do bad things. Its well known.

As for Scousers; there's a special place in Hell for the lot of them.

Ipsofacto, BNP members are gonna get it real good. Racist scum.

One has to hope that Scousers are given a special place in Hell. One of the things that concerns me about the certainty of my damnation is sharing eternity with scousers (red scousers that is Pistador)

From the Guardian report, the list contains "four ministers of religion".

I am shocked, I hold the religious in the very highest regard, this comes as a particular blow to me.